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they have romney, sarah palin, even fall right people like allen west and wayne lapierre of the nra. is this the new gop? the nra is invited, but not conserve tef gay rights groups. >> they are cosmetic changes. but i have to admit, the one that doesn't fit in this whole puzzle is romney. >> they're so confused, internally, that that's going to stumble them going forward. >> jonathan, exclude the conservative gay groups while welcoming people like wayne lapierre, doesn't that send the signal that they're not going to be there? >> i would argue it's the same old republican party. so by them kicking out, go proud, it's sort of the standard m.o. but by keeping out gays and lesbians, by keeping out african americans, the republican party is sealing its fate as a second tear party. and they won't go there because the republican party just isn't welcomed. >> i hope he doesn't need a drink of water while he's speaking. victoria and jonathan, thank you for your time tonight. >> thanks, rev. >> ahead, a powerful story of giving back. a medical doctor who's fighting to hear the city where he g
they have romney, sarah palin, even fall right people like allen west and wayne lapierre of the nra. is this the new gop? the nra is invited, but not conserve tef gay rights groups. >> they are cosmetic changes. but i have to admit, the one that doesn't fit in this whole puzzle is romney. >> they're so confused, internally, that that's going to stumble them going forward. >> jonathan, exclude the conservative gay groups while welcoming people like wayne lapierre, doesn't that...
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what about wayne lapierre being a featured speaker? is there an identity when the pro-gun lobby, the second amendment people who believe in idea logically that we've got to have a gun to protect ourselves from a tie ran cal government some kay, is that part of the republican -- i went back and looked at the republican platform. it's all pro nra language. is your party, the republican party now, identified pretty much uniquely with the nra. >> first of all, i would say we're the pro liberty, pro freedom party which i believe is part of what the nra platform is. second of all, if you look at states like pennsylvania, ohio, wisconsin, michigan, where we pick up a lot of democratic votes is on that issue where they do feel that obama and others are coming to take away their gun. that's why gun sales are up all across the country. >> do you think obama is coming to take away somebody's gun? >> well, you explain to me why gun sales are up in all these places, where there are very strong democratic bases. >> i wish you'd answer a simple quest
what about wayne lapierre being a featured speaker? is there an identity when the pro-gun lobby, the second amendment people who believe in idea logically that we've got to have a gun to protect ourselves from a tie ran cal government some kay, is that part of the republican -- i went back and looked at the republican platform. it's all pro nra language. is your party, the republican party now, identified pretty much uniquely with the nra. >> first of all, i would say we're the pro...
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wayne lapierre referred to some of the president's comments linking the issue of gun violence to the potential impacts on kids as a charade and they have also gone up with their own print ads as well. >> peter alexander at the white house. thanks so much. thanks for the report. >>> meanwhile, in south africa the murder charges against oscar pistorius took another unexpected turn. a bizarre turn as the lead investigator was removed from the case. nbc's reporter joins me now. you can't make this stuff up. tell me what happened. >> reporter: well, this is what happened on this, the third day of bond hearing. now a fourth day and expecting a decision tomorrow or perhaps on monday. today we did hear the closing arguments in this case, though. firstly from oscar pistorius's defense team saying there was no evidence that this was a preplanned killing and they said that the fact that oscar had tried to carry the girlfriend down the stairs out of the home showed that he was trying to save her life but then the prosecution retaliated. they said that this is a violent man, he has a history of v
wayne lapierre referred to some of the president's comments linking the issue of gun violence to the potential impacts on kids as a charade and they have also gone up with their own print ads as well. >> peter alexander at the white house. thanks so much. thanks for the report. >>> meanwhile, in south africa the murder charges against oscar pistorius took another unexpected turn. a bizarre turn as the lead investigator was removed from the case. nbc's reporter joins me now. you...
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what would their contribution have been given that we've heard wayne lapierre say background checks are a complete waste of time? >> exactly, martin. again, i think vice president biden if you go back to his shotgun comments is interested in having second amendment folk at the table but mr. lapierre, the way he's availed himself at every opportunity to speak publicly since the newtown tragedy has been such that we're regressing in terms of the discourse. he's not being respectful, sensitive, or sensible about the things that we need to be talking about with the inspection and information and data we have now. >> gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us this afternoon. >> thank you. >>> coming up, karl rove continues to sing for his supper. he does. stay with us. ♪ ♪ no two people have the same financial goals. pnc works with you to understand yours and help plan for your retirement. visit a branch or call now for your personal retirement review. a hairline fracture to the mandible and contusions to the metacarpus. what do you see? um, i see a duck. be more specific. i see the afl
what would their contribution have been given that we've heard wayne lapierre say background checks are a complete waste of time? >> exactly, martin. again, i think vice president biden if you go back to his shotgun comments is interested in having second amendment folk at the table but mr. lapierre, the way he's availed himself at every opportunity to speak publicly since the newtown tragedy has been such that we're regressing in terms of the discourse. he's not being respectful,...
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>> you know, the thing is, you've got wayne lapierre. >> yeah. >> who really was a lot closer to where americans are today. >> almost aware. >> than he is right now. because 92% of americans want universal background checks. i think that's coming. >> all right. meanwhile, president obama gained an ally in his efforts to pass new gun legislation in the wake of the newtown shootings. congressman joe heck, republican from nevada, backed universal background checks for firearms saying, quote, i think the idea of background checks across the board, i'm not opposed to them. and i disagree with people who say that this is going to be the first step to gun registration, which leads to gun con physician indication. c con physician >> they go through a background check. and guess what? they're not part of a national registry. >> right. >> nobody's coming to get their guns. the black helicopters around circling their house. nobody's taking their livestock. you can do this. you can make sure that felons can't walk into a gun store or go to a gun show and buy weapons. >> this is one of the points t
>> you know, the thing is, you've got wayne lapierre. >> yeah. >> who really was a lot closer to where americans are today. >> almost aware. >> than he is right now. because 92% of americans want universal background checks. i think that's coming. >> all right. meanwhile, president obama gained an ally in his efforts to pass new gun legislation in the wake of the newtown shootings. congressman joe heck, republican from nevada, backed universal background...
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. >> wayne lapierre has said gaming creates violence. what do you say to that? >> the average gamer is about 35 years old now. it's male, it's female, it's old, it's young and there are game offerings of all genres. i think with any decision you have to choose wisely, depending on who the audience is. the influences are out there in society in all shapes and forms. >> do you think games will look different as a result, maybe not this year but two years from now, three years from now in large. >> i think it's going to represent mainstream entertainment and it's going to gravitate toward the things people are interested in. there are supports gamers, there are casual gamers, there are core gamers and their tastes vary differently based on their age and what interests. >> hollywood movies could say the same thing, too. >> exactly. >> jack, congratulations. we look forward to seeing it. please come back. >> thank you. appreciate it. >> looking to free yourself from your mobile service provider's monthly data usage fees? what if one company actually rewarded you for
. >> wayne lapierre has said gaming creates violence. what do you say to that? >> the average gamer is about 35 years old now. it's male, it's female, it's old, it's young and there are game offerings of all genres. i think with any decision you have to choose wisely, depending on who the audience is. the influences are out there in society in all shapes and forms. >> do you think games will look different as a result, maybe not this year but two years from now, three years...
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>> i think wayne lapierre is going to revoke your nra membership for that. but i think you make a very good point, which is the requirements that we have for so many other things we don't apply to guns. the gun industry is treated very differently -- >> stephanie: just look at the seat belt laws, all of that stuff -- it just is incredible where people think you can't have any regulation on guns who's only purpose is to kill right? >> well, yes. well it's also for sport -- >> stephanie: well that's usually killing something. >> or target practice. >> people go for target practice, but you make an interesting point about the way we treat guns differently than other things that are far less dangerous, but now it is just such a struggle to get universal background checks that that's where we ought to put our focus. >> stephanie: you are right. nothing is always -- what does the president always say, let perfect be the enemy of good. this is where we have gotten the bar so low that we go okay if we can get anything. >> yeah, the other point i want to make, though
>> i think wayne lapierre is going to revoke your nra membership for that. but i think you make a very good point, which is the requirements that we have for so many other things we don't apply to guns. the gun industry is treated very differently -- >> stephanie: just look at the seat belt laws, all of that stuff -- it just is incredible where people think you can't have any regulation on guns who's only purpose is to kill right? >> well, yes. well it's also for sport --...